... yes, I understood that much. You don't tell someone you hate them if you want them to be on your side.

[She shakes her head.] But if he's not ignorant by nature, then he is by choice, which might be worse -- especially when he refuses to justify anything he does. And talks to us like that when we suggest that he should.

As if it's only for our own sakes that we care about the kind of person he is.